tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post6420992664739993178..comments2023-10-28T05:14:28.496-05:00Comments on Just my little piece of the world: Sick and Tired of the InfightingAnnettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16344077085109588258noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-18313808508048802892010-02-05T17:12:28.585-06:002010-02-05T17:12:28.585-06:00Thank you Annette, for this post. I feel the same...Thank you Annette, for this post. I feel the same way. Sometimes I get frustrated too but I always come back to how much he has already done and I still love every time I hear his articulate voice on the radio! And then when you think of the alternative, well the mind just shudders to imagine.Mauigirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15529827915262851910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-46209468016486220432010-01-31T10:47:39.798-06:002010-01-31T10:47:39.798-06:00My point was the blogs I visit mostly... and some ...My point was the blogs I visit mostly... and some of the other idiots out there who can't seem to be happy with anything this president does. <br /><br />I blame a lot of this on the media spin and on the corporation who own the media too. They don't want this president and his policies to succeed because the R's are too good to them and they own them. Of course they own some of the D's too.. but by and far it is the R's that favor them much more. <br /><br />I by no means think we need to blindly follow along, but we can support our president without vilifying him. That is my point. Constantly calling him a loser, telling him he needs to fire this member of his cabinet, telling him he did this wrong and that wrong, never agreeing with anything I think is just being obstinate. <br /><br />He is not Hillary, and he never will be, so get over it. <br /><br />I don't think Hillary would ever be able to do what this President has done. Not by any means. And anyone who thinks she could... just is fooling themselves.Annettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344077085109588258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-25406390781494628812010-01-30T22:13:31.208-06:002010-01-30T22:13:31.208-06:00I don't have the heart right now to wade into ...I don't have the heart right now to wade into this fight except to say, that if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's more than likely a duck. One must question just who is stirring the pot about the "left" being unhappy and disenfranchised, to the point that it has made unthinking chattel, er, I mean people, angry and unhappy. We must ask ourselves just who is pulling the strings...A World Quite Madhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18173346413223847865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-75669985399055474282010-01-30T21:01:43.691-06:002010-01-30T21:01:43.691-06:00No, it may not be helping him with the minority, b...No, it may not be helping him with the minority, but it is making them look worse every day... people see what is happening.. they have to. Well the ones that want to see anyway.. Some will never see no matter what. <br /><br />But our 2 party system is supposed to be set up to compliment each other.. to supply that check and balance between the two.. and as long as they just keep obstructing, they are only hurting themselves.Annettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344077085109588258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-89775988713139898252010-01-30T16:57:21.912-06:002010-01-30T16:57:21.912-06:00you know i like obama - i think his problem is the...you know i like obama - i think his problem is the incredibly weak leadership of Harry Reid and the ridiculous ninnies in the senate - <br /><br />obama also needs to be tougher - he is not a senator anymore, he can actually demand a few things --- the GOP takes full advantage of this guy's good nature and willingness to reach out.<br /><br />i truly believe the republicans do not want to work with him - they are determined to make him fail - they have proven that over and over again - while reaching out was a good idea - it is not helping himDistributorcaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10149154929149577121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-69525401654852469162010-01-29T15:28:04.966-06:002010-01-29T15:28:04.966-06:00Sorry Annette. If my mind is closed as you say, it...Sorry Annette. If my mind is closed as you say, it has been closed by the actions of obstructionist, anti Working American thugs like McConnell and Boehner.<br /><br /> I stand by what I said and my strategy for dealing with people like this. From what I heard from President Obama's speech, I think he's on the same page as I am now.Joe "Truth 101" Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08875151516978133598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-52457652032824663912010-01-29T09:09:25.343-06:002010-01-29T09:09:25.343-06:00Now that I can agree with 150%...lol J.M.C. I thin...Now that I can agree with 150%...lol J.M.C. I think Frank S is probably one of the smartest people out there and I respect his opinion very highly. Thank you for your comments and come back often.Annettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344077085109588258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-36027164290459467942010-01-29T08:48:20.004-06:002010-01-29T08:48:20.004-06:00Thanks Annette, elevate was a wrong choice of word...Thanks Annette, elevate was a wrong choice of words. Frank S. should be our choice to round up the religious right and get our government back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-59295787931759121662010-01-28T22:20:34.681-06:002010-01-28T22:20:34.681-06:00Annette,
I don't beleive that reaching out whe...Annette,<br />I don't beleive that reaching out when it doesn't lead to better policy is the mark of a good leader. I don't believe that there is any observer from the left or the right who would claim that the attempts at bipartisan support have made any bill better. I understand the he made a campaign promise and I believe that he has fulfilled his promise. However, I think that moving forward he and we would be better served without the time consuming and ultimately unsuccessful attmepts at bipartisanship. Clearly the Republicans are still going to have their say about every bill. They all have to go through committee markup and mulitple votes, but we can't have the tail wagging the dog, so to speak. <br /><br />I understand your point on this as well. I'm not here to talk badly about the President. I just happen to disagree on this point. I don't believe that disagreeing with the President on a particular policy or tactic is opening the door for the teabagger group. Apathy is what we have to fight. Real honest and passionate debate should always be welcomed.Mycue23https://www.blogger.com/profile/07474424588090159340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-39596773340799321132010-01-28T22:04:13.624-06:002010-01-28T22:04:13.624-06:00K, Again you are so very correct in your assessmen...K, Again you are so very correct in your assessment.. We may not like it, and we may have done things differently, but we are not the president and we aren't the ones making those decisions. We can only support him and let him make those decisions and hope he is doing what is correct. He has all the facts.. not us.Annettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344077085109588258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-11348762994721420602010-01-28T22:02:26.867-06:002010-01-28T22:02:26.867-06:00Sorry MyCue, but you have made 2 mistaken statemen...Sorry MyCue, but you have made 2 mistaken statements... <br /><br />The recovery plan garnered 3 Republican votes.. yes it was only 3 but still 3 just the same. And the Health Care bill got 1 Republican vote in the House. <br /><br />No it isn't much... but still it was Republican votes. So see... it hasn't all been for naught.. There have also been Republican votes for other bills that have been signed into law.. not many but there have been some. <br /><br />I believe just off the top of my head, Lily Ledbetter had some R votes on it.. as did the SChip... So to say there have been NO votes from the other side is just rewriting history, and doing what we accuse the R's of doing. Making false statements to back up our arguments. We can't do that. We have to stick to facts... and only the facts. <br /><br />Again I say he has to at the least look as if he is reaching out.. Even if he just gets slapped, that is the mark of a good leader and a good president. It is also President Obama's core values and we can't change who he is... no matter how much we want him to be different.. just as I can't change who you are, and you can't change who I am.Annettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344077085109588258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-40861138404014765702010-01-28T21:34:52.155-06:002010-01-28T21:34:52.155-06:00I understand that Obama promised to be bipartisan ...I understand that Obama promised to be bipartisan during the campaign, however it is clearly not working. By reaching out to a party that has no intention of doing anything but obstructing your policy is counterproductive, regardless of whether it was promised. I believe that when candidate Obama made that promise, he honestly believed that he would find at least a few people on the other side of the isle willing to see reason. That has not been the case. The stimulus package got zero Republican votes in the House or Senate. The Health care bill got zero Republican votes in the House. This is the reality. Reaching out to a group of people whose sole purpose is the failure of your agenda, only delays and may ultimately defeat that agenda. <br /><br />I don't think there are many of his supporters who would hold it against the President for trying to move forward more aggresively with his agenda. Capitulating to the other side or wasting time trying to get them on your side, does not get anymore support from Republicans or Independents. <br /><br />I wouldn't rely on the American people to finally come to their senses and realize that the Republicans are simply obstructionists. The famed "Low Information Voter" is not going to be swayed by that kind of argument. They respond to buzz words and passion, not reason and measured statements. They also respond to results. Those results are being delayed by a DOA attempt to gain Republican support for a Democratic agenda. We cannot simply hope that the LIV (who sway national elections) realize that the Republicans have not offered one rational proposal to fix any of our major problems. <br /><br />The President has worked extremely hard over his first year and I would argue has accomplished more in his first year than any President since Reagan. That has not registered with the LIV's. All they hear are terms like "death panels" and "socialism" and "communism" and they make decisions on who is yelling the loudest. <br /><br />This isn't about a campaign promise anymore. This is about effectively running the government. The Republicans are willing to ignore the needs of the American people in order to regain power. In my opinion, continuing to pursue a policy of seeking bipartisan support, plays directly into their hands.Mycue23https://www.blogger.com/profile/07474424588090159340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-68273050014393519412010-01-28T21:04:15.711-06:002010-01-28T21:04:15.711-06:00When Obama ran for president, he explicitly and re...When Obama ran for president, he explicitly and repeatedly said that he would reach across the aisle and attempt to govern in a bipartisan fashion. He expressed this over and over, so being critical of him for trying to do what he said he would doesn't make sense. I'm also not going to criticize for thinking that the Republicans would put country over party. That they have not is their shame, not his, and we've all learned from it. I would have ceased the bipartisan stuff sooner, but I'm not president and I'm not going to second guess anyone's best intentions.K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10222703055177237209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-43405127362291821212010-01-28T21:00:48.647-06:002010-01-28T21:00:48.647-06:00I do see your point very clearly. Obama holds out ...I do see your point very clearly. Obama holds out his hand and the rethugs time after time slap it away, turn their backs and give him NOTHING. Soon the people will wise up to the obstructionist GOP and hopefully it will be their demise!Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18303260031729868857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-7227044720108621042010-01-28T20:14:33.667-06:002010-01-28T20:14:33.667-06:00But I don't think he is kissing up to them.. H...But I don't think he is kissing up to them.. He just has to make it appear he is holding out the olive branch in public, and they are rejecting it.. He has to take the high road in order to be the better person. That's just how he is... You can't change that no matter what.. That is his core value. <br /><br />It only makes them look small and petty by rejecting and obstructing and the people will see this if we keep pointing it out.. instead of complaining about the President.. That is my point. Comparing him to Bush, saying he is weak by doing so... saying he is not getting anything done when he is... that's not helping... pointing out the lack of reaching back by the Rethugs.. and pointing out their lack of even trying to work with him is the answer... <br /><br />That's what we need to be doing... All you are doing by putting down the president is feeding into what they want. You are just helping them gain the upper hand... everytime you do or say anything against him you gain another vote for them to take back the Congress and the White House.. Is that what you want to do? <br /><br />Think about it.. Please.. Open up your mind to someone else's opinion for a change instead of being so closed minded.....Annettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344077085109588258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-58072908602945486402010-01-28T19:39:34.923-06:002010-01-28T19:39:34.923-06:00I understand that republicans will obstruct until ...I understand that republicans will obstruct until forced to come to the table. They will come to the table when the pork for their individual districts is cut off. <br /><br /> Obama isn't dealing with reasonable and rational people with America's best interests at heart. Obstruction and no regulation are in the interests of the big corporations that fund the republicans. They have no reason or interest in health care reform or leaving Iraq. Their best tool is obstruction. Once that is taken away through threat of reconcliation or constituent pressure from a good public relations effort, then they will come to the table. <br /><br /> Hardball is in order. I don't like it when my President has to kiss up to the likes of McConnell or Boehner.Joe "Truth 101" Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08875151516978133598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-22293051736759329032010-01-28T18:29:33.791-06:002010-01-28T18:29:33.791-06:00Annette,
I wrote my own piece (http://hamsandwich...Annette, <br />I wrote my own piece (http://hamsandwich66.blogspot.com/2010/01/hell-is-for-children.html) a couple of weeks ago about the lack of backbone in the liberal/progressive movement. However, I can't agree with you about the need for attempted bipartisanship. The President gains nothing by the attempt. The first 3 months of the health reform effort were practically wasted in the Senate looking for a Republican vote. In the end even Olympia Snowe didn't vote for it in committee, even though major concessions had already been made. It doesn't make them look like idiots to their base. It makes them look like heroes. It fires up their supporters and demoralizes the supporters of the President. Progress can indeed be made, but trying to reach out to a monolythic voting bloc that is hell bent on your failure, does not seem like a sound strategy to me.Mycue23https://www.blogger.com/profile/07474424588090159340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-80678967226540677402010-01-28T15:19:01.096-06:002010-01-28T15:19:01.096-06:00Evidently you don't understand as much about t...Evidently you don't understand as much about the Presidency as you think you do. Or maybe I don't... I have pointed this out before... <br /><br />He can't, I repeat... HE CAN"T stop holding his hand out to the Republican's... as much as I and some of you would like for him to. We are a small minority of people. The majority want the parties to work together... they want BiPartisanship. Therefore he has to hold his hand out no matter how many times he gets it slapped back.... By doing so it shows that he is on the Correct side of the fence and the Republicans are on the wrong side. <br /><br />That does not make him weak, it does not make him bad, it makes him a good leader, and them look like the idiots and obstructionists they are.Annettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344077085109588258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-62045080823222480492010-01-28T15:12:55.505-06:002010-01-28T15:12:55.505-06:00Sue said: "fuck the right and forge ahead Oba...Sue said: "fuck the right and forge ahead Obama and team!"<br /><br /> This is why many of us are angry with President Obama. He put comprimise with the right before victory for the Ameican People.<br /><br /><br /> I wholeheartedly agree with Sue. My problem is that President Obama seems to have waited a year into his presidency before ,hopefully, taking Sue's advice.<br /><br /><br /> Please don't count me among those wingnuts that demand a new primary. My only wish is for Obama to govern as he promised last night.Joe "Truth 101" Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08875151516978133598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-67044476942013389022010-01-28T13:27:03.666-06:002010-01-28T13:27:03.666-06:00Frank is a great role model, however I am sure he ...Frank is a great role model, however I am sure he would be the first person to say he would not want to be elevated above anyone. <br /><br />Thank you for commenting J.M.C. and come back anytime.Annettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344077085109588258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-92210639510653447792010-01-28T13:07:35.518-06:002010-01-28T13:07:35.518-06:00If we elevate anyone it should Frank Schaeffer. H...If we elevate anyone it should Frank Schaeffer. He has and is doing more good than Sarah can imagine or create mentally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-6409081100323820842010-01-28T12:58:25.341-06:002010-01-28T12:58:25.341-06:00Thanks Tom, glad you stopped by and hope you stop ...Thanks Tom, glad you stopped by and hope you stop again. <br /><br />I believe we have the responsibility to start pulling together and supporting our President. I don't mean we have to agree with everything, but we do have to support him. <br /><br />Anyone who says "he is just like Bush" is either blind or just not seeing facts as they are presented.Annettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344077085109588258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-18218445299634129142010-01-28T12:48:01.237-06:002010-01-28T12:48:01.237-06:00I too am tired of Obama's own party turning on...I too am tired of Obama's own party turning on him constantly. I've expressed disappointment at my blog towards the lack of Democratic unity, and towards Obama for not having stronger leadership.<br /><br />It's always been amusing to see Republicans going after each other -- teabaggers vs. RINOs, Libertarians vs. "family values" idiots, etc.<br /><br />But Democrats aren't supposed to be doing this. I can't believe there are people who still think "there's no difference between the 2 parties." George W. Bush refuted that theory once and for all.Tom Harperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05610417770240609022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-91888560124624343462010-01-28T12:22:51.625-06:002010-01-28T12:22:51.625-06:00K,
Thank You for commenting. I agree it would be ...K,<br /><br />Thank You for commenting. I agree it would be suicide. How anyone who would call themselves a Democrat, a Progressive, a Liberal and then challenge a sitting President for re-election is beyond me. There is just no way that should or could happen I would think. However it might... with the climate in DC now.. anything is possible.Annettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344077085109588258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2000061249436912064.post-40237646483401272772010-01-28T12:20:45.636-06:002010-01-28T12:20:45.636-06:00Sue, thank you... but think back to last week and ...Sue, thank you... but think back to last week and some of your comments... That's all I am going to say.Annettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344077085109588258noreply@blogger.com