10 Lessons for Tea Baggers, Hey Wing Nuts.. That Means YOU!

I posted this back on September 16, 2009, right after Glenn Beck's 9-12 project.. Sue @ Hellooooo Mr President has been having some discussions with some conservatives about some of these ideas and I thought maybe it was time to revive it. Hopefully they will read it and learn a little something.. and some of us might learn some things too.


Jon Perr who posts at Crooks and Liars and also at his own blog Perrspectives has this great piece up that gives a wonderful write up of all the things wrong with your protest. You really need to look at this and study it and learn something.

Now you have all been here and wanted a debate.. Here is your debate. Will you honestly, truthfully read this and debate with me and others about this? I really doubt you will. But I will be glad to do so.

You attack, you scream, you cry we just want to call you names, but when we try to really have a debate you are nowhere around.. so here is your chance.. Like I said no anonymous comments.. You have to have a name.. something anyway.. Now, read this..

Back in April, the Daily Show's Jon Stewart offered some sound advice for frothing at the mouth Tea Baggers, "I think you might be confusing tyranny with losing." Now five months after their Tax Day outburst, thousands of vein-popping Obama opponents descended Saturday on Washington for Tea Party II. But while Glenn Beck's furious followers alternately slandered the President as a "fascist," a "communist" and worse, they remained unencumbered by either the thought process - or the truth.

Now for the list of 10 things you need to remember and learn.. These are very important.

1. President Obama Cut Your Taxes
2. The Stimulus is Working
3. First Ronald Reagan Tripled the National Debt...
4. ...Then George W. Bush Doubled It Again
5. Republican States Have the Worst Health Care
6. Medicare is a Government Program
7. Barack Obama is Not a Muslim
8. Barack Obama was Born in the United States
9. 70,000 Does Not Equal 2,000,000
10. The Economy Almost Always Does Better Under Democrats

Each of those links will take you to a detailed explanation of the statement. In easy to read terms and back up to show you proof of the statments.. Also I want to help you with some other things besides what Jon has given there.

From one of my commenters here who was answering one of you who left an answer and then ran away with no other way of contacting you or debating you in anyway, I am going to quote MrBrink:

In 2007, Pearl Jam was censored by AT&T during their live webcast for saying: "...George Bush, leave this world alone" and "George Bush find yourself another home..."

Anti Bush speech was censored by the corporate media or people like the Dixie Chicks were threatened with death as an example of what happens when you criticize Republican presidents.

In respone to anonymous coward's comments:

The Bush family dynasty was built to a fair extent doing business with Nazi Germany and had to have their assests seized as a result.

President Obama has no such family history. There is no elitist "Obama family dynasty."

The Bush dynasty expounded upon Prescott's activities by G.H.W Bush's years as a CIA spook and his subsequent ties to the Carlyle Group engaging in international arms deals using his position as an American government official to enrich his private dealings blurring the line between public and private representation. In other words, when 41' was brokering deals for Carlyle, he was using what I like to call "America's integrity capital" as a bargaining chip in business negotitations.

Hitler rose to power through an odd parliamentary procedure after losing the popular vote handily.

Bush was appointed president through an unprecedented decision by the Supreme Court, after Bush lost the popular vote handily. Scalia and Cheney are, and have been, good friends and hunting buddies in an obvious conflict of interest to everyone but wingnuts.

Clinton left a surplus. To argue this is typical revisionist history. Clinton also upheld the successful policy of containment and no fly zones in the 90s. Information recently revealed that Saddam was bluffing and tried to communicate as much through intermediaries to offset the threat of increasing Iranian influence. A threat that Reagan and Bush41' compounded with a shady proxy war in the 80's.

I disagreed with sanctions responsible for the deaths of over 200,000 women and children and oil for food, but to claim Clinton's approach was more harmful than Bush's pre-emptive Shock and Awe campaign is idiocy.

We actually count the efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan in the budget now. Bushco tried to hide the costs through emergency funding that was used for no-bid contracts and plastic wrapped billions unloaded off a flying warehouse on a Baghdad tarmac. Waste, fraud, abuse, and no accountability were Bushco norms.

Only republicans hypocritically complain about pork. That "pork" funds all kinds projects and does more good than harm in the grand scheme of things.

This is republicans holding democrats to a standard they ignored. Reagan took America from the world's foremost creditor nation to the world's foremost debtor nation. Bush's watch resulted in the near collapse of the global economy.

President Obama received more votes than any elected president in history.

That's a mandate. Deal with it.

And while you're dealing with it by calling the president a liar/communist/fascist/marxist and an illegal alien, remember that nobody is censoring your speech like they did with Pearl Jam and and all the "free speech zones," and nobody is threatening your lives.

And when Mark Kirk(R-IL) tells Chinese officials that President Obama's budget(a budget that cuts taxes for over 95% of tax-paying Americans)is "not to be believed", directly undermining American interests, he's practically a traitor.

And in case the wingnuts don't know. The president consults with MANY Capitalists and Philanthropists and independent thinkers in trying to clean up the Bush Republican pile of shit they so recklessly, perhaps methodically, left behind.

Conservative Republicans failed America over the past 30 years and did so without shame or apology using hypocrisy and false equivalency as tools of deciet and revisionist history.

Now, once again, there are facts, with back up and you provide none.. You throw things out and just run away with no way to debate, yet you charge that we here on the left are not open to debate.

I nor anyone here is saying that we have all the answers, nor do we believe that we are perfect as you seem to think we believe. We do not idealize our Presidents as you seem to have done with Reagan and even Bush to a certain extent. We know he has feet of clay, we don't agree with everything he has done, nor will we agree with everything he will always do.

We need at least a 2 party system in this country for it to survive. But it needs to be a healthy 2 party system and right now we don't really have a healthy second party. The republican party is sick.. it is infected with bigots and racists and idiots who are following the lead of idiots like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck who are getting pain millions of dollars to say outlandish and stupid things.

The more outlandish and the more stupid the better, it garners a wider audience. People watch and listen just to see what they will say next. You know it must be getting bad when even some of the other wing nuts are calling them to task.

When Alex Jones, wing nut of the nth degree tells Glenn Beck he is getting too far out there for him.. Beck is WAAAAY out there.. So come on people.. are you serious.. this is the guy you want to follow.

An excerpt of the letter to Beck from Jones:

During your Monday September 22 2008 TV broadcast, you expressed your vehement support for the bailout, stating, “The $700 billion dollars that you’re hearing about now is not only I believe necessary, it is also not nearly enough.” However, as soon as Bush left office and Obama picked up the baton and continued the same financial policy, you changed your tune and routinely attacked the bailout as an example of how socialism was taking over America.

The bailout was bad news for America under Bush just as it is under Obama, both were merely performing a transfer of wealth from America to offshore banks and giving the Federal Reserve total dictatorial control over the economy, but you only opposed it when Bush was out of office, proving that your opinions are not wedded to right or wrong, but to which puppet is in the White House.

A host of mainline conservative talking heads opposed the banker bailout, as did the majority of the American people, but you went on television and publicly supported it. This is irreconcilable with you being “a libertarian at heart” as you claim.

In addition, you aggressively attacked Ron Paul and his supporters during the election campaign when it looked like the Texan Congressman might have a real chance of winning the nomination. You implied that Ron Paul supporters were domestic terrorists and should be dealt with by the U.S. Army, but later tried to side with Ron Paul supporters when the infamous and discredited MIAC report echoed your own talking point that people who support Ron Paul were dangerous.

The smear came during a November 2007 show when you were still hosting on CNN. Yourself and ex-Marxist David Horowitz smeared Ron Paul supporters, libertarians and the anti-war left as terrorist sympathizers and inferred that the U.S. military should be used to silence them, parroting a talking point that traces back to a September 2006 White House directive. When asked about the issue, Ron Paul dismissed you as “pretty discourteous” and a “demagogue”.

You Glenn Beck have acted as a cheerleader for the wars of aggression launched since 9/11 and in addition called for Iran to be attacked, claiming that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is preparing a “second holocaust.” Once again, these political opinions stand completely contrary to libertarian principles, which follow the founding fathers’ view that an expansionist aggressive foreign policy is bad for America.

You have attacked Obama for unraveling the Bush war machine to give you left cover, when in fact Obama has done everything in his power to expand Bush’s wars, beefing the campaigns in Afghanistan and Pakistan while removing a token amount of troops from Iraq and replacing them with an even greater number of contractors.

By attacking Obama for being different to Bush, when in reality he offers not change whatsoever, you keep people locked in the left-right paradigm and ensure that instead of coming to the realization that the whole system is rigged, they will merely vote in another puppet for the new world order in 2012.

Glenn Beck – you are controlled opposition, you are there to co-opt and ensure the Tea Parties are under control and that they never focus on taking on the real power behind the American economy – the Federal Reserve.

Bearing in mind that you almost died not too long ago, wouldn’t you rather come to the end of your life, whether that be in one year or 30 years from now, knowing that you stood up for true liberty and freedom? Isn’t that more valuable than your $50 million dollars a year contract? When I was approached ten years ago and offered large sums of money every year to sell out and become what you are today – the new Rush Limbaugh – while accepting tight controls on what I could and could not discuss – I said no and I thank God every day that I made the right decision.

50 Million .. is that what they are paying this lying piece of garbage to cry on demand and convince you people of what he wants you to do .. hell for 50 million even I would .. no, no I wouldn't.. I still have principles.. and it is obvious this idiot has none.

But, did you read what this said.. he praised the bailouts.. before he was against them.. Folks you are being duped by the master here.. look at that again. I will put it in bold so you can see it very plainly. I want to repeat this part again.. Just so everyone can see this for sure..

During your Monday September 22 2008 TV broadcast, you expressed your vehement support for the bailout, stating, “The $700 billion dollars that you’re hearing about now is not only I believe necessary, it is also not nearly enough.” However, as soon as Bush left office and Obama picked up the baton and continued the same financial policy, you changed your tune and routinely attacked the bailout as an example of how socialism was taking over America.

Here is a clip put together by Jones of Beck's greatest hits...and his take on what Beck is saying.. I think he has him nailed.. and I believe you all had better open your eyes.



I really hate to quote Alex Jones, he is not my cup of tea, but he has a point and makes some very valid arguments here.

So, here is the challenge people, wingnuts, tea baggers, whatever you want to be called.. you want a debate.. lets debate.. just do it with facts and come armed with back up.. not with ad hominem attacks and no way to prove what you say.